A thirteen-year-old wants to transition, while the clinic faces ethical dilemmas, bureaucracy, and uncertainty. What matters more – the rules or the person?
At 15, can you really be sure whether you want to have children in the future? The coordinator at a Dutch gender clinic doubts it, yet he has to ask this of youths seeking psychological help. A trans psychologist working there believes young people know what’s best for them. Their expertise adds value but also causes friction. Language use is sensitive – some reject stating pronouns, others support it. Director Ingrid Kamerling explores the clinic’s struggles: money issues, heavy workload, and the need to prepare youths as well as their parents for emotional challenges ahead.
In cinemas 10/7/2025
NK'25: They and Them
NK'25: They and Them
N13
Genre
Documentary
Run time
1h 17min
Genre
Documentary
Run time
1h 17min

A thirteen-year-old wants to transition, while the clinic faces ethical dilemmas, bureaucracy, and uncertainty. What matters more – the rules or the person?
At 15, can you really be sure whether you want to have children in the future? The coordinator at a Dutch gender clinic doubts it, yet he has to ask this of youths seeking psychological help. A trans psychologist working there believes young people know what’s best for them. Their expertise adds value but also causes friction. Language use is sensitive – some reject stating pronouns, others support it. Director Ingrid Kamerling explores the clinic’s struggles: money issues, heavy workload, and the need to prepare youths as well as their parents for emotional challenges ahead.
At 15, can you really be sure whether you want to have children in the future? The coordinator at a Dutch gender clinic doubts it, yet he has to ask this of youths seeking psychological help. A trans psychologist working there believes young people know what’s best for them. Their expertise adds value but also causes friction. Language use is sensitive – some reject stating pronouns, others support it. Director Ingrid Kamerling explores the clinic’s struggles: money issues, heavy workload, and the need to prepare youths as well as their parents for emotional challenges ahead.